Monday, September 3, 2018

No Democracy in the Bible!





I found this interesting video from David Pawson. I generally agree with what he is trying to say, and my aim is not to criticize him. But he does make one mistake that needs to be pointed out. AT 19.06 minutes into the video he makes the comment that “There is not a trace of democracy in the Bible!” I understand the point he is trying to make, but that is not strictly accurate. For about 400 years after the Israelites were led out of Egypt and entered the Promised Land, they had no “king” as such. They were ruled by “judges,” which was the closest thing to a “democracy” that you could come to in those days. The system was not “hereditary”. The judges did not rule as “kings”. It may not have been “democracy” as we understand it today, with “parliaments” and “elections;” but it was not a “kingdom” either. There was no one “ruling” over the people, or telling them what to do, as in a kingdom. That period is described in the Bible itself in these words:

Judges 17:

6 In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

Judges 21:

25 In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

And although there were no “elections” as such, still the “judges” ruled by the consent of the governed. If the people didn’t want someone to be their judge (or withdrew their support), then he could not have remained their judge. The people chose to follow them because they approved of them, and perceived them to be approved of God. It was the closest thing to a “democracy” in those days, and it certainly was not a “kingdom”. It was not “hereditary”. Indeed in the days of Samuel, who was their last judge, when the Israelites demanded a “king,” it was considered a sinful decision:

1 Samuel 8:

6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord.
7 And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.

1 Samuel 10:

17 And Samuel called the people together unto the Lord to Mizpeh;
18 And said unto the children of Israel, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I brought up Israel out of Egypt, and delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians, and out of the hand of all kingdoms, and of them that oppressed you:
19 And ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto him, Nay, but set a king over us. Now therefore present yourselves before the Lord by your tribes, and by your thousands.

So “monarchy” or a “kingdom” is not the only form of government described in the Bible, nor indeed the preferred one. A democratically elected form of government (like the Judges) is regarded as closer to being “ruled by God” than a “monarchy” or a “kingdom” is.

Following that comment he then continues: “… when I went to see the film the Ten Commandments, I remember Cecil B. DeMille who directed it, made a speech at the beginning: ‘this film is about the beginnings of Western democracy.’ I wanted a shout out, ‘No such thing! The Bible doesn’t ever mention democracy.’” That is not quite correct either. Democracy is God given. True democracy is the closest thing to a genuine theocracy that is possible in our present world; and in a real sense the Bible (and especially the Ten Commandments) is the “beginning of Western (especially British-American) democracy”. The bedrock of both democracies is the rule of law, which in this case is the English Common Law, which is founded on the Ten Commandments.

Under English Common Law (which is also the basis of US law), Judges actually make law, and the decisions they make become precedents for future decisions by judges of similar kind. Judges can even act contrary to Government legislation, if they consider it to be unjust in a given situation:

“It has often been suggested that judges are somehow able to ‘overrule’ legislation, for example if, exercising the power given to them by the Human Rights Act 1998, they declare that a particular law is incompatible with the rights and freedoms guaranteed under the European Convention on Human Rights. The question is often framed in terms of ‘what right do these unelected judges have to overturn the laws set out by elected representatives in Parliament?’ It is right to suggest that judges are able to rule that the acts of public bodies are unlawful and to decide against the Government in a particular case. Indeed, this is a powerful check on the power of the State against the individual. Many of the examples seen in the media, or commented on by politicians, tend to focus on criminal matters or on Human Rights, but there are many other examples of judicial oversight enabling the State to redress unforeseen outcomes of its own legislation.” Link.

Friday, August 17, 2018

Discussing Mormonism!



I came across the above Q&A video in which George Grant, Voddie Bauchman, Michael Morales, R.C. Sproul, and R.C. Sproul Jr. answer gospel questions, moderated by Chris Larson. At 38:57 minutes into the video the following dialog takes place between RC Sproul and Voddie Bauchman. R.C. Sproul begins the conversation by addressing Bauchman as follows:

Sproul: “What about down there in Texas, they are saying, some of these Southern Baptist preachers of yours are saying, that Mormonism is a cult!”

Bauchman: “Some of these southern Baptist Preachers of mine! Yeah! Those guys I identify with!” 

Sproul: “When I was a student, we used to study the cults, and every book that I studied about the cults included Mormonism in it … because of its fundamental denial of the Deity of Christ. But boy, if anything is politically incorrect now!” 

Bauchman: “Isn’t it interesting though, we have gone from a place where, if you look at, for example, original documents, early documents, from the settlement here, even before you know the Declaration of Independence, if you look at those original documents, the question would not have been, Are you willing to, you know, not call Mormonism a cult? But the question would have been, Are you willing to acknowledge Jesus Christ; and that all of the things outside of him would be a cult? We have come full circle in that. It just seems bizarre that now we are willing to cut people off if they are not willing to say, It is okay for a man to believe that, you know, Elohim had sex with Mary; you know, Jesus was a product of that; he had three wives, they had multiple children; and that you, if you are a good Mormon, will eventually go and inhabit your own planet, and through infinite celestial sex you will populate that planet, and be your own Christ on your own planet. And now we have people in the press who are pulling microphones in the faces of candidates and saying, I dare you to call that a cult! And they are saying, Nozebalz! We won’t do that!”

Firstly, in answer to R.C. Sproul (he is not with us anymore, but for the benefit of those who may agree with him), they should know that the doctrine of the Deity of Christ is taught more unambiguously and affirmatively in the Book of Mormon (and in other LDS scriptures) than it is anywhere in the Bible. Mormonism, Mormon revelation, and Mormon scripture not only does not “deny the Deity of Christ,” but affirms it more strongly, and discusses it more intelligently and meaningfully than it is done anywhere in the Bible. I have already discussed that subject (with quotes and references) in my previous post, which can be seen here. It is a blatant falsehood and a wicked lie to allege that Mormonism “denies the Deity of Christ”. Mormon revelation affirms it more strongly than it is done anywhere in the Bible. See my previous post for examples.

Secondly, in answer to Voddie Bauchman’s comments, every single one of the doctrines that he has attributed to Mormonism is a false attribution. Not one of them is true Mormon doctrine. That is not what Mormonism teaches. True Mormon doctrine is to be found in Mormon revelation and Mormon scripture, which includes the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price; and no such doctrines are found in any of them. Mormonism does not teach any of the things that he has attributed to it. Why they would want to perpetrate such blatant falsehoods and lies against Mormonism, is a question for them to answer. But I don’t see how it will be doing them any good.

For R.C. Sproul, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I think that in his case, it was a matter of genuine ignorance rather than anything else. But I don’t think I would be equally generous towards the rest. Mormonism is true. The Book of Mormon is a book of scripture and a revelation from God. It teaches the doctrine of the Deity of Christ more strongly than the Bible does. It teaches, affirms, and clarifies many Christian doctrines better than the Bible does. It resolves many theological ambiguities that in the Bible are left unclear. It is unquestionably the word of God; and those who reject it will be damned unless they repent.

Wednesday, August 8, 2018

Deity of Messiah Debate



I came across the above debate on the Deity of Christ, between the advocates of Trinitarianism and Unitarianism which I thought was interesting. The video comes in three parts, merged together. The transition between the three parts takes place at 1:13:52 and 2:12:29 hours into the video. The debate is hosted by Jonathan Bernis, President & CEO of Jewish Voice Ministries International, who moderates the debate in fairness and good humor. The video was originally published around 2011, copies of which can be found in several places on the Internet, all of them having low resolutions, and some of them showing only part of the debate. This is the best copy that I could find. The video was a little too dark, so I used YouTube’s video enhancement technologies to increase the brightness and contrast, and make it look brighter and better.

It is a lengthy debate, lasting a little over two and half hours, and to give it a detailed response would take too long, and would be too tedious to attempt. The only point I would like to make with reference to it is that the doctrine of the Deity of Jesus Christ is taught more completely, comprehensively, convincingly, explicitly, compellingly, and unambiguously in the Book of Mormon (and in other modern scriptures of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) than it is in the Bible. Here are the references (punctuation revised):

Book of Mormon Title page:

… And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations.

1 Nephi 19:

10 And the God of our fathers, who were led out of Egypt, out of bondage, and also were preserved in the wilderness by him; yea the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and the God of Jacob yieldeth himself, according to the words of the angel, as a man into the hands of wicked men, …

2 Nephi 10:

3 Wherefore as I said unto you, it must needs be expedient that Christ—for in the last night the angel spake unto me that this should be his name—should come among the Jews, among those who are the more wicked part of the world; and they shall crucify him—for thus it behooveth our God, and there is none other nation on earth that would crucify their God.
4 For should the mighty miracles be wrought among other nations, they would repent, and know that he be their God. (c.f. Matt. 11:20–24; 12:41–42; Luke 10:13–14; 11:31–32; John 15:24)

2 Nephi 11:

7 For if there be no Christ, there be no God; and if there be no God, we are not, for there could have been no creation. But there is a God, and he is Christ; and he cometh in the fulness of his own time.

2 Nephi 26:

12 And as I spake concerning the convincing of the Jews that Jesus is the very Christ, it must needs be that the Gentiles be convinced also that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God;

Mosiah 3:

5 For behold the time cometh, and is not far distant, that with power the Lord Omnipotent who reigneth, who was, and is from all eternity to all eternity, shall come down from heaven among the children of men, and shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay, and shall go forth amongst men, …

Mosiah 7:

27 And because he said unto them that Christ was the God, the Father of all things; and said that he should take upon him the image of man, and it should be the image after which man was created in the beginning; or in other words, he said that man was created after the image of God, and that God should come down among the children of men, and take upon him flesh and blood, and go forth upon the face of the earth—

Mosiah 13:

28 And moreover, I say unto you, that salvation doth not come by the law alone; and were it not for the atonement, which God himself shall make for the sins and iniquities of his people, that they must unavoidably perish, notwithstanding the law of Moses.
• • •
32 And now, did they understand the law? I say unto you, Nay, they did not all understand the law; and this because of the hardness of their hearts; for they understood not that there could not any man be saved except it were through the redemption of God.
33 For behold, did not Moses prophesy unto them concerning the coming of the Messiah, and that God should redeem his people? Yea, and even all the prophets who have prophesied ever since the world began—have they not spoken more or less concerning these things?
34 Have they not said that God himself should come down among the children of men, and take upon him the form of man, and go forth in mighty power upon the face of the earth?
35 Yea, and have they not said also that he should bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, and that he, himself, should be oppressed and afflicted?

Mosiah 15:

1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.

Mosiah 16:

15 Teach them that redemption cometh through Christ the Lord, who is the very Eternal Father. Amen.

Mosiah 27:

31 Yea, every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess before him. Yea, even at the last day, when all men shall stand to be judged of him, then shall they confess that he is God;

Alma 11:

39 And Amulek said unto him: Yea, he is the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth, and all things which in them are; he is the beginning and the end, the first and the last;

3 Nephi 11:

14 Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world.

Ether 3:

17 And now as I, Moroni, said I could not make a full account of these things which are written; therefore it sufficeth me to say that Jesus showed himself unto this man in the spirit, even after the manner and in the likeness of the same body even as he showed himself unto the Nephites;
18 And he ministered unto him even as he ministered unto the Nephites; and all this that this man might know that he was God, because of the many great works which the Lord had showed unto him.

D&C 1:

24 Behold I am God, and have spoken it; these commandments are of me, and were given unto my servants in their weakness, after the manner of their language, that they might come to understanding.

D&C 19:

18 Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink—

D&C 35:

1 Listen to the voice of the Lord your God, even Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, whose course is one eternal round, the same today as yesterday, and forever.
2 I am Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who was crucified for the sins of the world, 
• • •
8 For I am God, and mine arm is not shortened; and I will show miracles, signs, and wonders, unto all those who believe on my name.

D&C 38:

1 Thus saith the Lord your God, even Jesus Christ, the Great I Am, Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. The same which looked upon the wide expanse of eternity, and all the seraphic hosts of heaven before the world was made;
2 The same which knoweth all things, for all things are present before mine eyes.
3 I am the same which spake, and the world was made, and all things came by me.

D&C 39:

1 Hearken and listen to the voice of him who is from all eternity to all eternity, the Great I Am, even Jesus Christ
2 The light and the life of the world; a light which shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not;

D&C 63:

6 Wherefore verily I say, let the wicked take heed, and let the rebellious fear and tremble, and let the unbelieving hold their lips; for the day of wrath shall come upon them as a whirlwind, and all flesh shall know that I am God.

D&C 76:

1 Hear, O ye heavens, and give ear, O earth, and rejoice ye inhabitants thereof, for the Lord is God, and beside him there is no Savior.
2 Great is his wisdom, marvelous are his ways, and the extent of his doings none can find out.
3 His purposes fail not, neither are there any who can stay his hand.
4 From eternity to eternity he is the same, and his years never fail.

D&C 101:

16 Therefore let your hearts be comforted concerning Zion, for all flesh is in mine hands. Be still and know that I am God.

A Latter-day Saint should have no difficulty defending the doctrine of divinity of Jesus Christ, and his eternal power and Godhead. Nowhere in the Bible is the doctrine of the divinity of Jesus Christ taught more explicitly and affirmatively than it is in the Book of Mormon. Likewise the mystery of the Trinity unfolds in the Book of Mormon (and in other modern scriptures of the Church) more meaningfully than it does in the Bible. Here are the references (punctuation revised):

2 Nephi 31:

21 … And now behold, this is the doctrine of Christ; and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost which is one God, without end. Amen.

Alma 11:

44 … and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit which is one Eternal God, 

Mosiah 15:

1 And now Abinadi said unto them, I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.
2 And because he dwelleth in the flesh he shall be called the Son of God, having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son
3 The Father because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and the Son
4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.
5 And thus the flesh becoming subject to the spirit or [in other words] the Son to the Father, being one God, suffereth temptation and yieldeth not to temptation, …

Mosiah 16:

15 Teach them that redemption cometh through Christ the Lord, who is the very Eternal Father.

3 Nephi 1:

13 Lift up your head and be of good cheer; for behold, the time is at hand, and on this night shall the sign be given, and on the morrow come I into the world, to show unto the world that I will fulfil all that which I have caused to be spoken by the mouth of my holy prophets.
14 Behold, I come unto my own to fulfil all things which I have made known unto the children of men from the foundation of the world; and to do the will, both of the Father and of the Son: of the Father because of me [in the spirit], and of the Son because of my flesh.

3 Nephi 11:

27 And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one.
• • •
36 And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me, for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one.

3 Nephi 20:

35 … and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of the Father; and the Father and I are one.

3 Nephi 28:

10 … and ye shall be even as I am, and I am even as the Father, and the Father and I are one;

Mormon 9:

12 And because of the fall of man came Jesus Christ, even the Father and the Son.

Mormon 7:

7 … to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above; unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost which are one God; in a state of happiness which hath no end.

Ether 3:

14 Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. In me shall all mankind have light, and that eternally.

Ether 4:

12 … and he that will not believe me will not believe the Father who sent me. For behold, I am the Father. I am the light, and the life, and the truth of the world.

D&C 20:

28 Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end.

D&C 93:

2 And that I am the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world;
3 And that I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one
4 The Father because he gave me [in the spirit] of his fulness; and the Son because I was in the world and made flesh my tabernacle, and dwelt among the sons of men.…
• • •
14 And thus he was called the Son of God, because he received not of the fulness at the first [i.e. in the flesh].

JST Luke 10:

23 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth that the Son is the Father, and the Father is the Son, but him to whom the Son will reveal it. (c.f. Luke 10:22)

For further discussion of these verses see my article hereTwo passages of scripture that has caused difficulties of interpretation among the panellists has been the following:

John 1:

18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 John 4:

12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

Which appear to be at odds with theophanies recorded or taught in the Bible (Gen. 32:30; Ex. 24:10-11; 33:11; Num. 12:8; Deut. 34:10; Isaiah 6:1; Matt. 5:8; Acts 7:55; 1 John 3:2). In Matthew 5:8, Jesus categorically states that the “pure in heart” shall see God. In the Joseph Smith Translation (JST), also known as the Inspired Version, however, those verses are rendered as follows:

John 1:

19 And no man hath seen God at any time, except he hath borne record of the Son; for except it is through him, no man can be saved.

1 John 4:

12 No man hath seen God at any time, except them who believe. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

Which expedites the resolution of the difficulty from the perspective of Latter-day Saints.

Monday, July 30, 2018

“Preaching Which Builds the Church” by Alex Montoya



I was having a look through the Shepherds’ Conference of 2018, and came across an interesting talk by Alex Montoya, called “Preaching with Passion: Preaching Which Builds the Church”. I enjoyed listening to it, and my aim here is not to criticize it, but to make a brief comment. The talk is addressed to pastors, or prospective pastors, and is advising them, with good humor, on how to be more effective preachers. At 43:58 minutes into the video he makes the following comment:

“Go to chapter 4 ... of 2 Timothy. He said not only preach with authority, preach with boldness .... Listen to me, he preached the word ... be ready in season and out of season … reprove, rebuke, exhort with great patience and instruction. You know, that calls for boldness.”

He is commenting on Paul’s advice to Timothy in the following passage:

2 Timothy 4:

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

The word “boldness” does not occur in that scripture. It is a word that he has added to it. The word that is actually used is “all longsuffering,” which some might even consider to be the opposite “boldness”—at least as some Evangelical preachers seem to understand it. There is another scripture, however, that does talk about boldness in preaching; and it is found in the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon also has some good advice to give on good preaching. It is as follows:

Alma 38:

10 And now, as ye have begun to teach the word even so I would that ye should continue to teach; and I would that ye would be diligent and temperate in all things.
11 See that ye are not lifted up unto pride; yea, see that ye do not boast in your own wisdom, nor of your much strength.
12 Use boldness, but not overbearance; and also see that ye bridle all your passions, that ye may be filled with love; see that ye refrain from idleness.

There is lots of great advice in there on how to be a good preacher; but the one that I particularly like to focus on is the instruction to “use boldness, but not overbearance. There are too many Evangelical preachers who confuse “boldness” with “overbearance”. They shout at people, and speak with a loud, even intimidating voice, and sometimes even issue “commands,” and generally adopt an “overbearing” attitude, thinking that they are being “bold,” when they are just being “overbearing”. That is not conducive to good preaching, and it turns people off. The heathen think that they shall be “heard for their much speaking” (Matt. 6:7); these guys seem to think that they shall be heard for their “much shouting!” That doesn’t work. It might have worked 200 years ago, but not today. To preach with “boldness” means to speak the truth without fear; it does not mean shouting at people, and adopting an overbearing attitude. Preachers who talk like that, very often it is because they don’t really have anything useful, constructive, or substantive to say, and make up for it by shouting at people instead. Very few people nowadays are fooled by that kind of stuff. The Book of Mormon has given them the best advice: “Use boldness, but not overbearance; and also see that ye bridle all your passions, that ye may be filled with love.” Isn’t it amazing how the Book of Mormon always wins! đŸ˜€

Saturday, July 14, 2018

“The Freedom of the Will” by Jonathan Edwards



Jonathan Edwards (1703–1758), who has been in the news somewhat lately because Evangelical and Reformed Christians have been celebrating the 300th anniversary of his birth, was an enormously influential theologian of the Puritan era, of the Reformed or Calvinist school, whose writings have helped shape the minds of many of the Reformed theologians of later times. His book, The Freedom of the Will, in particular, has been extremely influential in shaping the theological thinking of later Reformed theologians, such as R.C. Sproul and John M. Frame; and R.C. Sproul has called it “the most important theological work ever produced in America.” I haven’t read the book myself. However, because of the enormous influence he has had on later thinking of Reformed theologians, several people have attempted to summarize his book which can be read online; therefore not having read the book need not deter one from commenting on what it contains. The shortest and most concise summary of the book that I have found is from an article on his book in Wikipedia, which summarizes it in one sentence as follows:

“. . . a person may freely choose whatever seems good, but that whatever it is that seems good is based on an inherent predisposition that has been foreordained by God.” (link)

This in a nutshell sums up his argument. Longer and more detailed summaries of his book also exist, which are more conducive to giving it a more detailed reply. For the rest of this post I am going to rely on the one provided by Matthew Everhard, titled “Freedom of the Will: Synopsis,” which is the best one that I have found so far, and which can be seen hereSkipping the initial introductory part, he begins his summary as follows (capitalizations in the original; other emphasis added):

“The book begins in the author’s preface with an acknowledgement by Edwards that using nicknames like ‘Calvinism’ and ‘Arminianism’ has its downfalls. On the same token, though, sometimes they are necessary to delineate – in the broadest strokes possible – what are the sides and terms of the debate. He admits that he is a Calvinist and will defend this position.

“The book then divides into four major parts. In part one, Edwards lays the groundwork for the rest of the book. He defines philosophical concepts and terms like ‘necessity,’ ‘contingency,’ and ‘ability’ that will be used incessantly throughout. Readers had better pay attention here or be lost forever!

“Of particular importance, Edwards makes a distinction between what he calls ‘moral ability’ and ‘natural ability.’ Natural ability (or inability, as the case may be) has to do with what a man is physically capable of doing. He can walk; but he cannot fly. Moral ability (or conversely, inability) has to do with what a person can or cannot do of their own volition. A drunkard may not be able to stop drinking, for instance, just as a wife of noble character simply cannot cheat on her husband (his examples).

“Edwards then says something that will become the foundation for his entire treatise. Human beings, as responsible moral agents, ALWAYS (without any exception) choose to do what they are most strongly inclined to do at that time. In fact, it is impossible for them NOT to do what they are most inclined or disposed to do. In this way, he will argue throughout, our ‘volition will be determined’.”

That is the foundational premise of his  argument, as well as his greatest theological error—and of all those who have been influenced by him. There is no logical, scriptural, or experiential basis for the assumption that mankind must necessarily always without exception choose to do what they are most strongly inclined to do at that time, and that it is impossible for them to do otherwise. There is no justification for this in scripture, reason, or human experience. Both scripture and experience tells us that man has the moral ability to determine whether a given course of action is morally right or morally wrong, and then to act contrary to his “inclination” or “predisposition” if his moral judgement tells him that would be the wrong thing to do.

Throughout the Bible mankind have been exhorted by God, and by his prophets, to do good and abstain from evil—with the promise of a reward or punishment at the end, either in this life or the next (or both). It would make God a hypocrite and a liar to exhort mankind to do good and abstain from evil—and be rewarded accordingly—if they were powerless to do so unless he made them to, “inclined” them to, or predestined them to. Human experience also tells us that we have the moral ability to determine the right and wrong of a situation, and make moral choices based on that determination—even contrary to our own “inclination” if need be. Matthew Everhard then continues his summary as follows (words in square brackets added):

“But lest we think that Edwards is a mere fatalist, he will also argue that because this choosing is according to our own strongest inclinations [as predestined], it is also completely consistent with liberty [freewill]. We freely choose what we want most [as predestined]. For this reason, Edwards has been called a ‘compatibilist’ (i.e. that human liberty is logically compatible with divine sovereignty).”

There are several issues here that need to be separated:

1) His argument that the choices we make are predetermined by our “inclination” towards that choice, but still are “consistent with library” (i.e. are freely made), is a logical fallacy, and a contradiction in terms. It is a self-contradictory statement. It is simply illogical—unless you redefined the meaning of “freedom” and “liberty” completely.

2) That argument also negates man’s ability to make moral or ethical decisions, and to act accordingly. There are two kinds of choices that people can make: moral choices and amoral choices. Moral choices are those which have a moral or ethical dimension: they can be either “right” or “wrong;” such as the decision whether to steal someone’s money or not to. Amoral choices don’t have a moral or ethical dimension. They are neither “right” nor “wrong,” such as the decision what color tie I should wear when I go to work this morning. It is moral choices that are of interest to us in this discussion. Edwards’ premise effectively negates man’s ability to make moral choices, which is contrary to both experience as well as biblical teachings. Everyone knows within himself that he is capable of making such decisions; and the repeated biblical injunction to mankind to do good, and abstain from evil, also presupposes man’s ability to make such decisions. If Edwards’ premise was correct, that would negate man’s ability to make moral choices, and make God a hypocrite and a liar to repeatedly enjoin them to do good and abstain from evil (with a promise of a reward or punishment), knowing all along that they would be incapable of doing so unless he made them to, “inclined” them to, or predestined them to.

3) Edwards’ premise, if it were true, would deny human freewill (despite his protestations to the contrary), which would be neither “compatible” nor “incompatible” with the sovereignty of God. Therefore calling it “compatibilist” is a misnomer. The sovereignty of God neither demands predestination, nor is it incompatible with full libertarian freewill. The assumption that it is, is a false premise of Calvinism, and is not true.

Matthew Everhard then continues his summary of Edwards’ book as follows:

“Part two, quite honestly, is pretty boring in some respects. Over and over Edwards will repeat the same argument from every possible angle. Here, he will show how it is impossible to make any choice whatsoever from a completely neutral perspective (as his opponents suggest). Every decision, he says, is made for a reason that springs from one’s already determined inclinations [i.e. as predestined]. His opponents (both named and theoretical) will suggest that to be truly free, one must be able to make a decision from a completely neutral, unbiased, blank-slate, position of ‘liberty.’ Edwards says this cannot be so.”

Which again completely ignores and denies the moral dimension of man’s decision making process. Man is not only a volitional creature, but also a moral creature. He doesn’t make decisions purely on the basis of his “strongest inclination” as Edwards suggests. If that is what he did, he wouldn’t be any different than the beasts of the field. Man’s “inclination” alone does not determine what course of action he will take, but also his ability to make moral choices. If his “inclination” is to better himself at the expense of someone else by stealing their money; but his moral judgement tells him that that would be the wrong thing to do; he is able to act contrary to his “inclination,” and follow his moral judgement instead—which is what makes him accountable before God. Edwards’ theology denies man’s ability to make moral decisions, which is contrary to both experience as well as the teaching of the Bible. It is a denial of human accountability, which is written all over the Bible. It is a heresy. There is no other way to describe it. Matthew Everhard then continues his summary as follows:

“For example, suppose we are choosing between two paths home (my analogy, not Edwards’s). One is shorter and quicker, the other is longer and more dangerous. Whenever we choose a path, we do so for some reason. We are never neutral. Perhaps we want to get home sooner. Perhaps we want the scenic view. But always something determines the choice. Even if we were to choose for no consciously known reason, there must be some reason we prefer the one path over the other.”

Except that it is not a good analogy, because it does not have a moral dimension. Whichever choice is made in that example, is neither “right” nor “wrong” from a moral or ethical point of view. I can suggest a better analogy, which does include a moral dimension. Suppose I am walking home someday, and discover my neighbor’s wallet on the ground, which had fallen out of his pocket without him realizing it. I pick it up and take it home, and discover that there is $200 in it. I have a choice to either steal his money, and destroy the evidence without anybody finding out; or else to return his wallet without expecting anything in return. My “inclination” might be to line my pocket at his expense by stealing his money. My moral judgement, however, tells me that it would be a morally indefensible thing to do, and I should return his wallet back to him. Am I irresistibly bound to follow my “inclination,” as Edwards suggests? I don’t think so. Both experience as well as biblical teaching suggests otherwise. As a free moral agent, I have the freedom and ability to act against my “inclination” and return his wallet back to him, because my moral judgement tells me that that is the “right” thing to do. Edwards’ thesis negates man’s ability to make such a moral judgement, which is contrary to both experience as well as the word of God. Matthew then continues his summary as follows:

“Part two does heat up however, towards the later stages of the section, where Edwards begins to talk about God’s foreknowledge and employs a flurry of Scriptural citations. Biblicists will love this part! Here, he argues that all human choices in time are already known by God (which the Arminians also admit). But if they are known to God beforehand, they are also as sure to come to pass in the future as if God were seeing them from the perspective of the past. With God, there is no difference between seeing a future event and a past one. Both are certain in his all-knowing mind.”

That is true; but the underlying assumption of it, that man’s decisions therefore are not freely made, or that man is predestined, is false. That is the underlying premise of Calvinism, which is false. Calvinism sees libertarian freewill to be incompatible with divine sovereignty and foreknowledge of God, which is not true. The two concepts are not logically incompatible, contrary to Calvinist thinking. Matthew then continues his summary as follows:

“In part three, Edwards then attempts to answer an important question: if we are already predisposed to either good or evil (remember, we always choose according to our inclinations) what is the point of calling a choice morally ‘good’ or ‘bad’? Besides, how can helping an old woman across the street be praise-worthy, if it has already been determined that I must do so? Should I get any credit for that? On the same token, how can we blame a thief for doing exactly what his constitution requires him to do? If he must steal, how is it his fault?

“Edwards answers this by replying that one’s disposition is exactly what makes a person’s actions worthy of praise (or blame) in the first place. Suppose the Good Samaritan helped the poor mangled traveler in Luke 10 from a completely neutral heart. He felt nothing in his heart either way about the helpless man’s condition. He tosses a coin and it comes up ‘help him’ rather than ‘leave him.’ Would this be more praiseworthy than if his disposition cared deeply? Of course not! His concerned disposition is exactly what prompts him to help, and the reason why his action is worthy of commendation. Besides, Edwards argues, God Himself is completely and absolutely disposed to holy action and cannot do otherwise, and He is the most praiseworthy being in the universe! Surely we do not find fault in Him for acting righteously from a determined, necessary inclination to do what is good, do we?”

That is a logically flawed argument, and circular (and dishonest) reasoning. His argument goes like this: man is predestined by God to act as he does. That predestination works by God “predisposing” him to follow a certain course of action which he is unable to resist. What makes his actions “praiseworthy” (if good), or “blameworthy” (if bad), is precisely because he is “predisposed” (i.e. predestined) to the one course or the other. Where is the logic in that? I don’t see one. He is saying that you are predestined to do as you do; but your decisions are still freely made because you freely choose what you are predestined to do! Your actions are then praiseworthy (if good), or blameworthy (if bad), precisely because you are predestined to do as you do. Well, R.C. Sproul may have been convinced by that, but I am not!

That argument is also flawed because it completely ignores man’s ability to act as a moral agent, and make choices not only on the basis of what he is “inclined” or “predisposed” to do, but also on the basis of what his moral judgement tells him is the right (or wrong) thing to do. James in the New Testament says, “Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.” (James 4:17) To “sin” is to knowingly do what one knows to be wrong, without being constrained (read “predestined!”) to do so. If you don’t know right from wrong, you are not sinning if you do wrong. But if you know right from wrong, the implication of that verse is that you have the ability to act against your own “inclination” or “predisposition” to do wrong, and do right instead. James again says, “Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.” (James 4:7). The implication of that again is that we are not obliged to follow our evil “inclination;” but are able to resist it and act against it if we will. Another quote from James: “Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:” (James 1:13). God does not “tempt” anyone, nor “incline” nor “predispose” anyone to do evil; only the devil does. Jonathan Edwards is confusing God with devil! He is attributing the devil’s work to God, and God’s work to the devil! And man is always able to resist the temptations of the devil if he so chooses, because “God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able;” (1 Cor. 10:13). (No wonder Martin Luther hated the Epistle of James!) It is the devil who tempts man to do evil, not God, as the Book of Mormon affirms (punctuation revised):

Moroni 7:

12 Wherefore all things which are good cometh of God; and that which is evil cometh of the devil. For the devil is an enemy unto God, and fighteth against him continually, and inviteth and enticeth to sin, and to do that which is evil continually.
13 But behold, that which is of God inviteth and enticeth to do good continually. Wherefore everything which inviteth and enticeth to do good, and to love God, and to serve him, is inspired of God.

And no one is “predestined” to do evil (or good). Jonathan Edwards’ teaching is a complete negation of man’s moral agency enshrined in the Bible, and is an undeniable heresy. There is no other way to describe it. How could intelligent folks like R.C. Sproul or John M. Frame fall for this kind of thing is puzzling, to say the least. Matthew then continues his summary of Edwards’ book as follows:

“In the last part, part four, Edwards considers a host of objections against his position that are still made to this day. For instance: doesn’t moral necessity (that we must do what we are inclined to do) make human beings mere machines? Isn’t this another restatement of the Greek concept of fate? Doesn’t this make God the author of sin by creating us with sinful dispositions?

“Whether or not we view Edwards’s answers to these questions as satisfying will in large part be determined (no pun intended!) by whether we’ve found his prior arguments about moral and natural necessity coherent and convincing.

“Of particular help to many will be Edwards’s formal conclusion itself. In this last flurry, Edwards works through each of the primary doctrinal pieces of the famous Reformed acronym TULIP in turn. With a winsome defense of Calvinism, Edwards arrives at his argument’s denouement – God’s grace is absolutely necessary to overturn the sinful heart of the rebellious person and turn them to Jesus. But in doing so, God also graciously ‘rewires’ our predispositions so that we freely and willingly choose to savor Christ and follow Him by faith.”

That is Calvinistic “grace,” which is anything but! However, I do have a question to ask those who are influenced by, and are well versed in Jonathan Edwards’ book: does he have an answer to my objection to his theology, which is based on man’s ability to act as a moral agent? The scriptures teach that man is not only a volitional creature, but also a moral creature. He is able to make choices, not only on the basis of his “inclinations” and “predispositions,” but also on the basis of his ability to determine whether a certain course of action is morally right or morally wrong, and then to decide, if need be, to act against his “inclination” because his moral judgement tells him that it might not be the right thing to do. Does Jonathan Edwards attempt to answer that objection; and if so, how? I hope someone will be able to answer that question for me, because I really like to know. Matthew then concludes his summary of Edwards’ book with these words:

“Well there you have it. The Freedom of the Will in just under about a thousand words. Now go get yourself a copy so you can work through it yourself. Happy reading!”

Thank you Matthew Everhard for your excellent summary of Jonathan Edwards’ book. It saved me the trouble of having to read it! đŸ˜€ There are several other summaries of Edwards’ book on the Internet of course, which a Google search can find for those who may be interested.

Friday, July 13, 2018

Is God a Person?



I have been watching some interesting videos by David Pawson, and found him to be a very reasoned and well-spoken theologian, and found myself in agreement with pretty much everything that I have heard of him so far. But talking about the agreements is going to be boring. đŸ˜€ It is the disagreements that start getting interesting, and I have found a fundamental one in the above video which I would like to comment on. He has given a series of two talks on the subject of the Trinity as follows:


In the second of the two videos (shown above), at 46:26 minutes into the video he says the following (emphasis added):

“Now I come to the most important thing I want to say. Let me put this very carefully: the real answer to the conundrum of the Trinity is to ask, In what sense is God three, and in what sense his he one? Don’t ever confuse those two things. There are some senses in which God is three, and other senses in which God is one; but the two are different, and must never be the same. Let’s just ask first about the three. God is three persons. The Father is not the Son, and is not the Spirit. His threeness is persons. He is not one person. Do you follow me? If only we had not allowed our minds to slip into thinking that it was three persons and one person at the same time; that is where we make the problem for people. He is three persons, but one God. So what he is three is different from what he is as one. Now I hope you follow me on that, because then it is no longer a problem. He is only three in some senses, and only one in entirely different senses. You are not asking the three and the one to be applied to the same thing. That is when you are into contradiction and mathematical nonsense.”

He says that the one true God is not a person. There he makes a very serious and fundamental error, as far as biblical doctrine is concerned. The one true God is indeed a (one) Person. That is how God is portrayed throughout the Bible, Old and New Testaments. Throughout the Bible, the one God is referred to with the personal pronouns “he,” “him,” and “his,” which makes him a Person (i.e. one Person). God himself, the one true God, repeatedly refers to himself using the personal pronouns “I,” and “me,” which makes him a (one) Person. The one true God is indeed a Person, no doubts about it. Examples are too numerous to quote. One will be sufficient:

Exodus 20:2-3: I am the Lord thy God, . . . Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”

The use of the personal pronouns “I” and “me” indicates that the (one) God sees himself as a Person. And note in particular, that it is the One True God that is speaking here, not some imaginary construct. God, the One True God, uses the personal pronouns “I” and “me” to refer to himself, which makes him a Person (One Person). The reference is to the One God, not “one of the three”. That shatters his Trinitarian theology completely, which he has worked so hard and so carefully to construct in the two videos. In the first video, he has done a nice job of finding all the scripture references to a triune Deity” in the Bible. It is in the second video, when he starts talking about the historical definitions, creedal statements, and the controversies that his theology starts to falter; and it breaks down completely when he finally reaches the conclusion that God is not a (one) person! His theology of the Trinity now lies in tatters; and he has a lot of work to do to build it up again, which he is not going to find easy to do.

Monday, May 21, 2018

John M. Frame on Open Theism




Following my earlier series of posts on Open Theism, and a reference to an article on it by John M. Frame* that I had made in one of them, I became more interested in his views, and read his article more carefully, and then read some more of his articles, and watched some of his videos as well, and found him to be a refreshingly honest, intelligent, articulate, analytical, and clear-thinking theologian—which makes it all the more surprising that he still adheres to the abominable heresy of Calvinism. In this post I am going to examine his article on Open Theism a bit more carefully. He begins his article as follows:

“Open theists deny that God knows the future exhaustively. In their view, God is often ignorant about what will happen, sometimes even mistaken. He ‘expresses frustration’ when people do things he had not anticipated. He changes his mind when things don’t go as he had hoped. In these contentions, open theists admittedly differ from ‘the classical view of God worked out in the western tradition’ that prevailed from the early church Fathers to the present with a few exceptions (such as the Socinian heresy). This classical view has been the position of all Christian theological traditions: Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and all forms of Protestantism. It affirms that God has complete knowledge of everything that happens in the past, present, and future. Thus open theism denies the historic Christian view of God’s omniscience. The present article will discuss the major issues in the controversy between the classical view and the open view.”

That is not a very accurate statement of the “historic Christian view of God’s omniscience”. While it may be true that in “all Christian theological traditions: Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and all forms of Protestantism,” the full omniscience of God has been affirmed; the theological basis of that affirmation in the pre-Reformation and post-Reformation periods have not been the same. While in the Protestant tradition God’s foreknowledge has been equated with predestination, in the pre-Reformation period that has not been the case. St. Thomas Aquinas, for example, believed in full libertarian freewill, while at the same time acknowledging God’s omniscience and exhaustive knowledge of the future. He does not see a conflict between the two.

St. Thomas also believed in some form of predestination; but his idea of predestination is not the same as the Calvinist one (although Calvinists like to claim it to be). What Thomas means by predestination is that God, in his providence, has ordained all things that shall come to pass. Nothing happens “by chance” that he is not aware of, or that is contrary to his will. He is not “caught by surprise” by anything. But that does not translate into predestination as Calvinism understands it.

Both Calvinism and Open Theism are based on the false assumption that God’s foreknowledge is incompatible with libertarian freewill. Calvinism resolves that (apparent) dilemma by denying libertarian freewill. Open Theism resolves it by denying the foreknowledge of God. St. Thomas does neither. He stirs a course between the two, and does not see a conflict between them. In my earlier posts I have explained how it is possible to reconcile divine providence and foreknowledge with libertarian freewill. It is possible for man’s choices to be freely made in the libertarian sense, and still being known to God in advance. John M. Frame then continue his article as follows:

Libertarianism

“Why this radical divergence from the almost universal consensus of professing Christians? Open theists offer various reasons for their position, but the most fundamental, in my judgment, is that the classical view is inconsistent with human freedom in the libertarian sense. Since open theists (also called ‘freewill theists’) want to affirm human freedom in this sense, they must abandon the classical view of God’s omniscience.”

Again, that is not entirely correct. It depends on what he means by the “classical view of God’s omniscience”. If by that is meant Calvinism, then yes; but not if you mean the pre-Reformation idea of God’s omniscience. He continues:

“A free act in the libertarian sense is an act that is utterly uncaused, undetermined. It is not caused by God, nor by anything in creation, nor even by the desires and dispositions of the one who performs the act. Such causes may ‘influence’ or ‘incline’ us to a certain choice, but they never determine a choice, if that choice is free in the libertarian sense. At the moment of choice, on this view, we are always equally able to choose or not to choose a particular alternative. For this reason, libertarian freedom is sometimes called ‘liberty of indifference,’ for up to the very moment of choice nothing is settled; the will is indifferent.

“Now if people are free in the libertarian sense, then human decisions are radically unpredictable. Even God cannot know them in advance. If in 1930 God knew that I would be writing this article in 2000, then I would not be writing it freely. I could not avoid writing it. So if my writing is a free choice in the libertarian sense, even God cannot have been certain of it in advance. Libertarian freedom excludes the classical view of God’s foreknowledge.”

That is where both Calvinism and Open Theism err in their theologies. It is possible to reconcile libertarian freewill with the foreknowledge of God. The idea that the two are logically irreconcilable is a false notion that underpins both Calvinism as well as Open Theism. They may appear to be far apart, but in reality they are very close. He then continues:

“On this view, the future is of such a nature that it cannot be known exhaustively. So open theists claim that on their view God is indeed omniscient, in the sense that he knows everything that can be known. That he lacks exhaustive knowledge of the future is no more of a limitation than his inability to make a square circle. Just as his omnipotence enables him to do everything that can be done, so his omniscience enables him to know everything that can be known. That includes knowledge of the past and present, but not the future, so open theists name their view presentism.

“For open theists, therefore, libertarian freedom is a fundamental premise, a standard by which all other theological statements are judged. Typically, open theists do not argue the case (such as there is) for libertarian freedom; rather, they assume it. It is their presupposition. So God cannot have exhaustive knowledge of the future. Pinnock says,

‘However, omniscience need not mean exhaustive foreknowledge of all future events. If that were its meaning, the future would be fixed and determined, much as is the past. Total knowledge of the future would imply a fixity of events. Nothing in the future would need to be decided. It also would imply that human freedom is an illusion, that we make no difference and are not responsible.’

“He is saying that God cannot know the future exhaustively, because if he did we would not have libertarian freedom.”

That is a false assumption that underpins not only Open Theism but also Calvinism. They both draw their inspiration from the same source, but presented as it were from two opposite ends of the scale. John M. Frame then continues his article as follows:

“In my view, however, libertarianism is both unscriptural and incoherent. Scripture does speak of God determining the choices of human beings.

“In Proverbs, the writer declares, ‘To man belong the plans of the heart, but from the LORD comes the reply of the tongue… In his heart a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps’ (Prov. 16:1, 9). God’s counsel, indeed, brings everything to pass: Christians are predestined to eternal life ‘according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his own will’ (Eph. 1:11; compare Rom. 11:36, Lam. 3:37-38).”

What he reads into those verses is not what they imply, and he completely ignores innumerable verses of scripture which imply the opposite (e.g. Deut. 30:15-20; Josh. 24:14–15). He continues:

“Open theist Gregory Boyd seeks to mitigate the implications of the fact that Jesus predicted Judas’ betrayal (John 6:64, 70-71, 13:18-19, 17:12). But he concedes the heart of the matter:

‘Scripture elsewhere teaches that a dreadful time may come when God discerns that it is useless to strive with a particular individual or a group of people any longer. At this point, he withdraws his Spirit from these people, hardens their hearts, and thus seals their destinies (e.g. Gen. 6:3; Rom. 1:24-27).’

“Clearly Judas’ decision to betray Jesus was not free in the libertarian sense. He was not then equally able to choose either alternative. Boyd implies that many human decisions are not free in this sense.”

Boyd is wrong, and so is he! Firstly, God never hardens anybody’s heart. I have already discussed that in another post. People harden their own hearts. Secondly, the fact that Judas’ choices and decisions were foreseen, foreknown, and had been prophesied of in advance does not mean that they could not have been freely made in a libertarian sense. Calvinism and Open Theism may appear to be far apart outwardly, but inwardly they are very close. They both drink from the same fountain of error, that libertarian freewill is incompatible with the foreknowledge of God, which is not the case. He then continues:

“But what human decisions are free in the libertarian sense? Scripture never teaches libertarianism or even mentions it explicitly. Libertarians do try to derive it from the biblical view of human responsibility, but Scripture itself never does that. Judas is fully responsible for his betrayal of Christ, though we saw above that it was not a free act in the libertarian sense.”

Judas’ decision to betray Jesus was a free act in the libertarian sense. If it had not been, he could not have been held responsible for it. The fact that it was known and prophesied of in advance does not make it any less free in the libertarian sense. That is a false assumption that both Calvinism and Open Theism share. Both theologies are dependent on it. He continues:

“Nor does Scripture ever judge anyone’s conduct, as we might expect on the libertarian view, by showing that the conduct was uncaused. If only uncaused actions were morally or legally responsible, how could anyone prove moral or legal guilt? For it is impossible to prove that any human action is uncaused. Indeed, courts today as in biblical times rightly assume the opposite of libertarianism: that morally responsible actions (as opposed, for example, to accidents or insane behavior) are determined by motives. Lack of a motive diminishes or abrogates responsibility. So libertarianism, which open theists regard as the foundation of moral responsibility, actually destroys moral responsibility.”

I am not a judge, lawyer, or attorney by profession; but that sounds way out wrong to me. To say that “motives” cause people to do something is a tautology, because the word “motive” is defined in the dictionary as the “cause for doing something”. The real question is, Do people have a moral compass which tells them whether a certain course of action is morally right or morally wrong? If they do, and they choose to follow the wrong course, what motivates them to do it is not what makes them culpable; but the fact that they knew it was wrong, and went ahead and did it anyway, and were able to do otherwise if they had wanted to. He then continues:

“These considerations show, in my view, that libertarian freedom does not exist. Therefore it provides no barrier to our confession that God knows the future exhaustively. And so important is libertarianism to the open theist position that without it, the open theist position entirely lacks credibility.”

What these considerations show is how someone as intelligent, articulate, and apparently as well-intentioned as him could be so mightily deceived by the abominable heresy of Calvinism. For the reminder of his article he does a good job of refuting Open Theism on scriptural grounds, or refuting their scriptural arguments, and therefore no further comment is required.

Revised May 27, 2018.
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* Open Theism and Divine Foreknowledge
by John M. Frame. June 4, 2012. Link.